Sasha Baron Cohen and Don Chede sat down for a conversation DiversityActors actors. For more, click here.
In "Who is America?" In Showtime, Sacha Baron Cohen increases his famous Gangos comedy with four, using a quartet of absurd aliases to deceive politicians like Dick Cheney and Roy Moore in crazy interviews. Elsewhere in the Don Don Cheadle network may not go so far as the "Black Monday", but is still kneeling as a broker at Wall Street during the 1987 crash.
DON CHEADLE: You are very popular and famous, and I will recognize you everywhere, if you have no other reasons than you are a giant. I mean, literally, heightwise wise. And your eyebrows are icons.
SACHA BARON COHEN: They are.
DC: The "Who is America?" Have you ever been smashed? Has anyone gone: "Are you Ali G or Borat"?
SBC: Before doing tests with "Who is America?", We could see if people would see it. And I wore a massive wig. I entered the weapons store, and the boy immediately looked at me and went: "I know you". By recognition, it happens in the first second. It has a part of the brain that recognizes the face.
DC: The architecture of the face.
SBC: I realized that I had to do more extreme things. This brilliant man, Tony Gardner, who created the prosthesis for this movie called "Bad Grandpa", addressed him: "Do you think you can create prosthesis good enough to exist in the real world? Because it can not be touched for three hours . "
DC: People can not come and make sure the glue is retained.
SBC: "Hold on, Dick Cheney. Let me glue it down."
DC: It's an Israeli character that you play, it's an extreme look.
SBC: All these prosthetic looks, you will be at 3:30 in the morning and there will be five to six hours, because you will put a new head. It's layers and layers, and then it's an hourly subtraction.
DC: And then you'll sweat in.
SBC: When you take it, it's really good for your skin, because you're covered with sweat. You are completely wet under him. "Black Monday", it's such an extreme character. How do you create a character?
DC: For Mo at "Black Monday", it was a process of hair transformation, facial hair, and trying to figure out: "Is this whisker too big?" As you know, you can go into the size of a clown and lose the whole reality. There's no science to do this. You're just trying to find out what you feel. But find it in different ways. There is a piece of music that somehow speaks about the character.
SBC: Do you play it in your ear?
DC: No, it's more in the preparation. It's kind of nebulous how it all comes together. You shape a lot of things together and go, "Oh, those shoes."
SBC: The first time I played Borat, I knew that I wanted to make a foreign character. I am 24 years old. I drive in the car to the eastern end of London, and in the back of my car I found this hat I bought in the south of Russia, an Astrakhan hat. I got stuck on my head and looked at the mirror, and I was like, "Yes, I am from Moldova."
DC: And it just went out.
SBC: It happened to be in the back of my car. When you did "Hotel Rwanda", what is your preparation for such a part? There's no way you can see your characters in "Hotel Rwanda" and "Black Monday" played by the same person.
DC: It was a very challenging one – with an accent, the whole characterization, with locking and staying in that character all day.
SBC: You will stay in it and in the room?
DC: Not when I went home. I will decompress it. But on the set, I always, as far as I could, remained in the character. One day, one of the guys playing one of the characters in it, Dubie, went out and started talking to me in Knyanvarvanda.
SBC: So, you believed so much?
DC: He just forgot. That's the ultimate compliment.
In this atmosphere, where you have a person sitting in the highest office that complements many of these things, it's giving you the inspiration for "Who's America?" Was it specifically for Trump's election?
SBC: Yes it was. Under Obama, there was no motivation for it. I thought that I would never again make this kind of secret, because it is exhausting. It's terrifying for me. Sometimes it's dangerous. And then Trump entered, and immediately I felt disappointed and angry. This was a guy I did not respect. I would interview him as Ali G. In "Borat", I defended myself before the Trump Tower.
DC: He was on your radar.
SBC: That person becomes president? And he gets to be president by adopting these disgusting views that were so condemned that everyone dismissed him. People felt powerless. I thought, I have to do something with this anger and frustration.
DC: So, when you have someone you want to go, how do you choose a character?
SBC: The characters are designed to appeal to some people I wanted to talk to. Creation of characters is a kind of reverse creation. Who should Dick Cheney sit down and, eventually, sign his water kit?
DC: Obviously, we improvise on our show, and we find our ways in the scenes. But we always have the reliability of "Cut!" Hang on there. Have you ever had time on the show where it was going, "Well, I probably went too far"?
SBC: I do not want anyone to hurt, but I want to see the real thoughts of people. I provoke them to sometimes see the effect of this new political culture in which we are. It's not just Trump. We are in the greatest revolution that happened in the history of civilization. We are online. It's bigger than the Industrial Revolution. It is transformed into the way people think; no one knows which facts are already. It allows people who spread lies to look like they are legitimate.
Trump without Twitter is unlikely to become president, so Jack Dorsey is in the White House, has a meeting with Trump. He sits through the president, who is actually the largest personal endorser of his corporation. Both Jack Dorsey and Twitter can not enforce any restrictions against white supremacists or racists.
DC: Because it can affect their big cow.
SBC: And their only business model. They get rid of racists, they will have fewer subscribers on Twitter. We are now living in a dangerous society. We live in a society where the space in which we grew up – what is the idea that society is improving, where people are equal despite their differences – that concept breaks down. Democracy breaks down, and it's terrifying for me.
And I will say all this with the remark that I am a comedian. I really do not know what I'm talking about, but this is something that goes through my head. I did not want to go on a tirade.
DC: Your tirade was indispensable.